guess i'm not alone and guess OUR board isn't unique:
- Nov 12, 10:06 AMI am truly curious as to what PC as a Head Coach brings to the program? Unfortunately, to me, it seems like there were two main drivers for why he was originally hired and those continue to be the most likely reasons for why he was selected after watching the last 3 plus seasons with him as Head Coach. He is cheap and not a threat to jump ship/provides stability (if anyone wants him is another question).
We know he can't communicate with the public including both the donors and the media. The consensus is that he can't make the tough calls required of a P5 head coach, such as demoting his buddy Rudolph or House at Pitt. If Barry is needed to make this happen, I am very concerned about his leadership abilities. His in-game time management skills are questionable at best and his 4th down decisions, such as punting on the plus side of the field are truly mind-boggling. While recruiting has supposedly picked up, how much of this is really due to grade inflation, as we still continue to rank between 6-8th in the Big 10 rankings, essentially no change on a relative basis. Finally, his offense since he has come back as head coach have been average to abysmal with the well documented run up the middle 2 straights plays followed by a pass play designed for youth football making up 95% of his offensive game plan. His attempts to switch it up are jet sweeps to the short side of the field and Danny Davis as running back. Really, an offensive guru and QB whisperer, he is not.
Favorable scheduling and excellent d-coordinators seem to be the most prominent reasons for his good start here at Wisconsin. While I believe his record warrants another year, I would love to hear what others think PC brings to the program as cheap and being from Madison should not be the only criteria for the head coaching gig at Wisconsin?
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bigshard said... (original post)
I am truly curious as to what PC as a Head Coach brings to the program? Unfortunately, to me, it seems like there were two main drivers for why he was originally hired and those continue to be the most likely reasons for why he was selected after watching the last 3 plus seasons with him as Head Coach. He is cheap and not a threat to jump ship/provides stability (if anyone wants him is another question).
We know he can't communicate with the public including both the donors and the media. The consensus is that he can't make the tough calls required of a P5 head coach, such as demoting his buddy Rudolph or House at Pitt. If Barry is needed to make this happen, I am very concerned about his leadership abilities. His in-game time management skills are questionable at best and his 4th down decisions, such as punting on the plus side of the field are truly mind-boggling. While recruiting has supposedly picked up, how much of this is really due to grade inflation, as we still continue to rank between 6-8th in the Big 10 rankings, essentially no change on a relative basis. Finally, his offense since he has come back as head coach have been average to abysmal with the well documented run up the middle 2 straights plays followed by a pass play designed for youth football making up 95% of his offensive game plan. His attempts to switch it up are jet sweeps to the short side of the field and Danny Davis as running back. Really, an offensive guru and QB whisperer, he is not.
Favorable scheduling and excellent d-coordinators seem to be the most prominent reasons for his good start here at Wisconsin. While I believe his record warrants another year, I would love to hear what others think PC brings to the program as cheap and being from Madison should not be the only criteria for the head coaching gig at Wisconsin?
To say PC is anything but a very Good football coach on a down year is punishable by death.
Nov 12, 10:21 AMvia MobileHis first year as coach was definitely a good one, and not at all due to favorable scheduling. The schedule was brutal, and his team performed well. His second year was even better, albeit against a lighter schedule. He also should deserve some credit for bringing in 2 excellent defensive coordinators after Aranda left.
He also has been a brilliant play caller in the past, it it's fairly evident he's given up that responsibility.
His buddy Joe Rudolph was a fine, maybe even very good TE coach. He is absolutely failing in his role as offensive coordinator. His OL, which has multiple potential first round picks, is ****ing up constantly.
Chryst as a coach delivers what this fan base wants. Responsible leadership, no drama. He is from the community and fits it well. He also has a strong record as a QB coach, with only one bonafide star, but several guys who've developed well enough to go pro.
I'll agree that his game management choices are at times baffling, but to be fair I watch a lot of college football and there are plenty of super bad decision makers. I dont think you automatically improve that area by bringing in somebody else.
I would like to see him bring in a bright minded young guy to run his offense, with a background in the power spread. Run 60%, throw 40%, use multiple formations that can be used for run or pass. The trend in college scheme right now is multiple, multiple, multiple. Our schemes feature certain guys whose very appearance in the game signals the play call.
Edit to add: I've upvoted the thread because I think you asked the question about as well as it can possibly be asked.
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TwoOneSeven said... (original post)
His first year as coach was definitely a good one, and not at all due to favorable scheduling. The schedule was brutal, and his team performed well. His second year was even better, albeit against a lighter schedule. He also should deserve some credit for bringing in 2 excellent defensive coordinators after Aranda left.
He also has been a brilliant play caller in the past, it it's fairly evident he's given up that responsibility.
His buddy Joe Rudolph was a fine, maybe even very good TE coach. He is absolutely failing in his role as offensive coordinator. His OL, which has multiple potential first round picks, is ****ing up constantly.
Chryst as a coach delivers what this fan base wants. Responsible leadership, no drama. He is from the community and fits it well. He also has a strong record as a QB coach, with only one bonafide star, but several guys who've developed well enough to go pro.
I'll agree that his game management choices are at times baffling, but to be fair I watch a lot of college football and there are plenty of super bad decision makers. I dont think you automatically improve that area by bringing in somebody else.
I would like to see him bring in a bright minded young guy to run his offense, with a background in the power spread. Run 60%, throw 40%, use multiple formations that can be used for run or pass. The trend in college scheme right now is multiple, multiple, multiple. Our schemes feature certain guys whose very appearance in the game signals the play call.
Anybody have any good ideas on who we could bring in for an OC to replace Rudolph?
- 46 months
TwoOneSeven said... (original post)
His first year as coach was definitely a good one, and not at all due to favorable scheduling. The schedule was brutal, and his team performed well. His second year was even better, albeit against a lighter schedule. He also should deserve some credit for bringing in 2 excellent defensive coordinators after Aranda left.
He also has been a brilliant play caller in the past, it it's fairly evident he's given up that responsibility.
His buddy Joe Rudolph was a fine, maybe even very good TE coach. He is absolutely failing in his role as offensive coordinator. His OL, which has multiple potential first round picks, is ****ing up constantly.
Chryst as a coach delivers what this fan base wants. Responsible leadership, no drama. He is from the community and fits it well. He also has a strong record as a QB coach, with only one bonafide star, but several guys who've developed well enough to go pro.
I'll agree that his game management choices are at times baffling, but to be fair I watch a lot of college football and there are plenty of super bad decision makers. I dont think you automatically improve that area by bringing in somebody else.
I would like to see him bring in a bright minded young guy to run his offense, with a background in the power spread. Run 60%, throw 40%, use multiple formations that can be used for run or pass. The trend in college scheme right now is multiple, multiple, multiple. Our schemes feature certain guys whose very appearance in the game signals the play call.
I'll agree 10000% with your note on the power spread. Something maybe similar to what OSU runs/ran. I'm not saying we need to become them, but there is a reason they continue to win a lot of games (yes talent is a part of it too). But we are finally starting to get some athletes at the skill positions and we don't use them or find a way to get them open. It baffles me.
Nov 12, 10:35 AMvia MobileThe overreacting is out of control. Hopefully we win out and win a bowl and it's 9-4. Sheesh.
- Nov 12, 10:37 AMvia Mobile
BuckyBadger93 said... (original post)
I'll agree 10000% with your note on the power spread. Something maybe similar to what OSU runs/ran. I'm not saying we need to become them, but there is a reason they continue to win a lot of games (yes talent is a part of it too). But we are finally starting to get some athletes at the skill positions and we don't use them or find a way to get them open. It baffles me.
Close to what I have in mind, but maybe not OSU specifically (their offense with JT Barrett was a crime against football talent, and usually painful to watch) I think Oklahoma is a good model. Their quarterback talent cant be duplicated but I love their scheme. It's designed to score points, and they run the ball as well as anybody. I think it fits the Wisconsin tradition extremely well.
This post was edited by TwoOneSeven 2 days ago
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- Nov 12, 10:39 AMHe isn't a flashy public communicator, but I don't think that's a requirement of a great HC. He seems to do fine in his office and in the living room of the recruits he goes to see.
Where do you get that he isn't a good communicator to donors?
Nov 12, 10:40 AM
serowskird11 said... (original post)
Anybody have any good ideas on who we could bring in for an OC to replace Rudolph?
I dropped this name in a different thread, but Mike Kafka
QB coach for the Chiefs right now, played at Northwestern and was a quality control coach for a couple years there too.
I think it makes sense to grab somebody without Wisconsin ties, but understands B1G football, and has coached/is coaching on a very successful offense under great tutelage
This post was edited by troyschroeder 2 days ago
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San Antonio said... (original post)
The overreacting is out of control. Hopefully we win out and win a bowl and it's 9-4. Sheesh.
It's all about the journey, and it has been a rough one.
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bigshard said... (original post)
I am truly curious as to what PC as a Head Coach brings to the program? Unfortunately, to me, it seems like there were two main drivers for why he was originally hired and those continue to be the most likely reasons for why he was selected after watching the last 3 plus seasons with him as Head Coach. He is cheap and not a threat to jump ship/provides stability (if anyone wants him is another question).
We know he can't communicate with the public including both the donors and the media. The consensus is that he can't make the tough calls required of a P5 head coach, such as demoting his buddy Rudolph or House at Pitt. If Barry is needed to make this happen, I am very concerned about his leadership abilities. His in-game time management skills are questionable at best and his 4th down decisions, such as punting on the plus side of the field are truly mind-boggling. While recruiting has supposedly picked up, how much of this is really due to grade inflation, as we still continue to rank between 6-8th in the Big 10 rankings, essentially no change on a relative basis. Finally, his offense since he has come back as head coach have been average to abysmal with the well documented run up the middle 2 straights plays followed by a pass play designed for youth football making up 95% of his offensive game plan. His attempts to switch it up are jet sweeps to the short side of the field and Danny Davis as running back. Really, an offensive guru and QB whisperer, he is not.
Favorable scheduling and excellent d-coordinators seem to be the most prominent reasons for his good start here at Wisconsin. While I believe his record warrants another year, I would love to hear what others think PC brings to the program as cheap and being from Madison should not be the only criteria for the head coaching gig at Wisconsin?
Are donations down? What is your evidence he communicates poorly with donors?
Nov 12, 10:47 AM
San Antonio said... (original post)
The overreacting is out of control. Hopefully we win out and win a bowl and it's 9-4. Sheesh.
I think it's ok to ask questions. It's actually dangerous not to. I don't agree with all of the "problems" pointed out in the OP, but I think it is obvious that some changes need to be made. Particularly with the offense, which happens to be the sphere that our HC oversees (let's be real, this is PC's offense).
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troyschroeder said... (original post)
I dropped this name in a different thread, but Mike Kafka
QB coach for the Chiefs right now, played at Northwestern and was a quality control coach for a couple years there too.
I think it makes sense to grab somebody without Wisconsin ties, but understands B1G football, and has coached/is coaching on a very successful offense under great tutelage
Hmmm. Should he stick around and coach a potential Hall of Fame QB and turn that into a HC gig in the NFL or should he go coach at Wisconsin? Really tough call. I have no doubt he is losing sleep over it.
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- Nov 12, 11:28 AM
GVBadger said... (original post)
Hmmm. Should he stick around and coach a potential Hall of Fame QB and turn that into a HC gig in the NFL or should he go coach at Wisconsin? Really tough call. I have no doubt he is losing sleep over it.
He's not the offensive coordinator, he's not in line for any NFL HC gigs any time soon, and I think calling any first year starting QB a potential hall of famer is a big stretch
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- Nov 12, 11:29 AM
- Ok...what does PC bring? He brings a heck of a lot more than most give him credit for....
1. Former UW player
2. Former NFL Assistant coach
3. Successful OC at P5 schools other than UW and then again at UW.
4. Understands UW...the challenges, but most importantly the benefits and blessings
5. HC success....PC has done a hell of a job at UW so far...one rough year and everyone is acting crazy
6. Creates a family atmosphere for the team and coaches....this is friggen HUGE.
7. In many ways....maximized recruitment opportunities
PC is our HC and I am damn glad he is. Can we question some things he does? Heck yes....but question him as a HC or a quality HC is asinine.
PaulElle57 said... (original post)
He isn't a flashy public communicator, but I don't think that's a requirement of a great HC. He seems to do fine in his office and in the living room of the recruits he goes to see.
Where do you get that he isn't a good communicator to donors?
I have attended a few Mendota GridIron events as well as a few other one-off events (coaching clinics) where he spoke and he came across just as he does during his press conferences. Babbling while not really saying anything meaningful. I have heard from others that have attended similar events, the same feedback. Granted, I do not claim to know any donors that really move the needle as far as fundraising, but I highly doubt he is significantly more dynamic in those situations. Maybe my assumption is wrong.
- Nov 12, 11:41 AM
bigshard said... (original post)
I have attended a few Mendota GridIron events as well as a few other one-off events (coaching clinics) where he spoke and he came across just as he does during his press conferences. Babbling while not really saying anything meaningful. I have heard from others that have attended similar events, the same feedback. Granted, I do not claim to know any donors that really move the needle as far as fundraising, but I highly doubt he is significantly more dynamic in those situations. Maybe my assumption is wrong.
He's the polar opposite of Fleck, who we all make fun of here. I don't really care about the coach personality until it has been demonstrated to be having a negative effect on some aspect of the program.
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- Nov 12, 11:48 AMvia MobileHugh Jackman is never going to play Paul Chryst in The Greatest Showman 2, but he's pretty good one-on-one. Based on my few interactions with him, he also seems to have a pretty good sense of humor. I even sent him a thank you note once and he sent me a thank you note back.
PaulElle57 said... (original post)
Where do you get that he isn't a good communicator to donors?
He made it up. Lot of high level donors love Chryst and were very scared of where the program was being led by GA. The roster was getting thin, especially on the offensive side, and the majority saw that.
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The overreacting is out of control. Hopefully we win out and win a bowl and it's 9-4. Sheesh.
Take that bet.
MNPilprin said... (original post)
Ok...what does PC bring? He brings a heck of a lot more than most give him credit for....
1. Former UW player
2. Former NFL Assistant coach
3. Successful OC at P5 schools other than UW and then again at UW.
4. Understands UW...the challenges, but most importantly the benefits and blessings
5. HC success....PC has done a hell of a job at UW so far...one rough year and everyone is acting crazy
6. Creates a family atmosphere for the team and coaches....this is friggen HUGE.
7. In many ways....maximized recruitment opportunities
PC is our HC and I am damn glad he is. Can we question some things he does? Heck yes....but question him as a HC or a quality HC is asinine.
Could not have said this better! The fact that this is even a topic is hilarious!
TwoOneSeven said... (original post)
Close to what I have in mind, but maybe not OSU specifically (their offense with JT Barrett was a crime against football talent, and usually painful to watch) I think Oklahoma is a good model. Their quarterback talent cant be duplicated but I love their scheme. It's designed to score points, and they run the ball as well as anybody. I think it fits the Wisconsin tradition extremely well.
This is always my favorite suggestion.
So just so I have this strait- you want to run the spread that Ohio state and Oklahoma run but not the spread Indiana, northwestern and Illinois run?
Do I have that right?
Personally I was a big fan of the one Texas ran with Vince young at qb.
Isn’t the guy calling the prolific osu spread now the same guy who won 26 games with that O at Indiana?
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- Nov 12, 3:14 PM
olipnc06 said... (original post)
He's really damn good at coaching football. And recruiting has picked up, as the class would be the highest finish ever right now (so a relative increase nationally).
This season would completely disagree. He has been completely inept this year.
MNPilprin said... (original post)
Ok...what does PC bring? He brings a heck of a lot more than most give him credit for....
1. Former UW player
2. Former NFL Assistant coach
3. Successful OC at P5 schools other than UW and then again at UW.
4. Understands UW...the challenges, but most importantly the benefits and blessings
5. HC success....PC has done a hell of a job at UW so far...one rough year and everyone is acting crazy
6. Creates a family atmosphere for the team and coaches....this is friggen HUGE.
7. In many ways....maximized recruitment opportunities
PC is our HC and I am damn glad he is. Can we question some things he does? Heck yes....but question him as a HC or a quality HC is asinine.
Hell of a job? He has inflated his record playing weak schedules and benefitted from loaded teams. Her has ZERO B1G championships and very few quality wins while unable to coach a team up wqhen not loaded with talent. So far he is Bret Bielema 2.0.
kowitzc said... (original post)
This season would completely disagree. He has been completely inept this year.
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